Please welcome another potential candidate (if he’s interested and can find something he wants to tackle), Ryan Leland. Ryan’s a web programmer that hit into some bumps in the road with this web project after 5months. Here’s his post: http://ryanleland.com/2009/08/post-mortem-you-vs-me-com/ to get a better feel for him.
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messel
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messel
Hey Vlad wanna write up something for a landing page on a web site. Like a his we’re “X” and this is what we do?
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messel
Talked to another swell web programmer who also does consulting work, Brian Clapper. We can contact him after we get $$ and I’m sure he’d be a great contributor.
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Vlad
Sure, I’ll write it up – how long are you thinking that it should be?
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Vlad
Is something like this long enough:
Intelligent Advertising Media Manager (IAMM)
The IAMM leverages live browsing information, user-generated content, and user-feedback to distribute relevant, targeted, timely, and measureable advertising across established and emerging Internet and mobile channels. -
messel
Excellent, thanks. I’m going to go with one form of authentication (jugging friendfeed and twitter was causing too much hair pulling & taking too long). Going with the more popular twitter. Each of them would work fine on their own , but then together there were problems (similar callback structures to show they were authenticated).
Next up 20 statuses, and our memory
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messel
Got a chance to read over the Google App Engine more carefully today. Got Friendfeed authentication working there. Just got twitter auth working but then it jumps back to the site I told it to on return. Just need to sort that out a little and authentication is done for now
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messel
Thank my buddy Jim at work for this find: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/business/media/31privacy.html?_r=2&th&emc=th
Personalized ads are going mainstream. Should make seeking funding easier although it will ramp up competition.-
Vlad
It’s a hot field – fun to be a part of it.
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messel
Still searching for a web programming guru. Would love to be able to take this 12 question test but not on my spaghetti code. The Joel Test
Do you use source control? remote svns, locally no
Can you make a build in one step? yes
Do you make daily builds? no
Do you have a bug database? no
Do you fix bugs before writing new code? yes
Do you have an up-to-date schedule? no
Do you have a spec? no Specs
Do programmers have quiet working conditions? no (puppies!)
Do you use the best tools money can buy? yes
Do you have testers? sorta
Do new candidates write code during their interview? yes they will Interviewing Guerrilla Guide 3
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messel
Oh crap is the meeting tonight? Or was it last night. I forgot about the pitch party although I don’t think that’s the perfect spot for us (might be a good spot to recruit a web developer though)
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Vlad
It was yesterday evening. I went. It was pretty good but still to early for us to go there. I kept my eye out for a web developer but didn’t spot one.
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messel
Good news, got back to authenticating again. I had introduced an infinite callback loop, my error was pointed out by one of the ff team as a culprit (you set the callback in their app page). Somehow I had it ok, but then changed it and messed it up.
Will move on with other authenticating tomorrow (twitter, facebook), then database..finally-
Vlad
Wow – you’re moving along steadily.
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messel
Like minded development idea: http://www.apml.org/ scary how close in concept it is.
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Vlad
Yes – this concept is very similar. They don’t seem to be commercializing/monetizing it now. Could this mean that it’s difficult to do? What should we do about this?
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messel
We may use their open format for letting folks export profiles. Makes sense to keep users in control of their data while we build a business off of learning about their social web interactions.
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messel
Not 100% but I think the idea of coding it all up scares most small developers away from the concept
Still headbanging on oauth, getting some weird repeating loop, somehow stepped backwards (had it working with friendfeed authorization a few days ago)
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messel
Ha I had to take an IT course informing us about software licensing at work. Coolness.
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Vlad
It’s good to know…
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messel
Just had the pleasure of meeting Brian Hendrickson (worked on authorization for ident.ica and http://openmicroblogger.org/). He may be interested in joining our efforts depending on time/interest. Shot him an invite to p2
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brian
thanks Mark, it was fun chatting with you today. I really like the message you put together in that youtube video today. Social networks like Twitter and Facebook will become decentralized, they are the new AOL and Compuserve. I learned this while coaching high school tennis a few years ago, all of the kids on my team were living their social lives in these centralized un-web-like sites and I knew the direction we were heading. I think it’s great that you guys are taking this so seriously, a lot of technologists just seem to think it’s a war between Twitter and Facebook
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messel
Appreciate your interest Brian. I’m in a little over my head on the software end. There’s so many ways to proceed. At the moment I’m trying to build a simple log in and oauth authentication system so folks can login using their friendfeed, twitter, or facebook credentials (will add openid as desired). As I’m fairly new to web programming (did desktop coding with c++ for a little under 14years), I would have expected all of this would be freely available in a library, and I think some of it is.
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Vlad
Welcome Brian. Great to have youre input.
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brian
Thanks Vlad, nice to meet you. Yes you can build on MIT license stuff and that’s what I choose for my open source projects, which I host on github mostly. I’m not as familiar with Apache 2.0 but if it’s a Berkeley-style license you’re pretty well good to go. Thanks for the mention in your blog post today, I hardly deserve to be grouped with Dave Winer, tho
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messel
Glad you enjoyed the post. It’s ok getting grouped with Dave, you both share a vision for open social media and real time internet unleashed.
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messel 4:03 pm on August 5, 2009 Permalink
I think he’d be a value founder/contributer and I could really use the help with the technical details even at this early stage in the game. I think our concepts, perspective and additional efforts combined with Ryan’s recent experiences, although it wasn’t a smash hit, he’s pushing it and trying to build something of value. He’s also completely honest about his lessons learned, an admirable trait.
Vlad how about a short brainstorming session later this week/weekend sometime with you myself and Ryan. Sort of a meet and greet combined with a what’s the best way to go about doing what we’re interested. And limit our time invested before getting valued user feedback.
Vlad 8:45 pm on August 5, 2009 Permalink
Welcome Ryan – it’s great to have you.
I’m open to a brainstorming/sharing session – are you thinking a chat room or live?
ryanleland 10:17 pm on August 5, 2009 Permalink
Thanks for the welcome. Anytime this weekend would be fine for me for a brainstorm/chat. Really looking forward to hearing more about the goals/vision. Certainly a lot of potential from what I’ve read so far.
Messel 2:48 am on August 6, 2009 Permalink
I was thinking of getting in a better habit of having regularish skype chat for any remote contributors. Face to face makes sense before milestones (time costs are high)
Vlad 4:43 pm on August 6, 2009 Permalink
That sounds great. I’m available Saturday at some point.