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	<title>Comments on: The Chains of Incumbent Systems</title>
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		<title>By: Laurent Boncenne</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3527</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurent Boncenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant it in a general manner, getting rid of the A/B testing for a bit, and going with what you feel.&lt;br&gt;As for me, currently it&#039;s in brainstorming mode, thinking of providing IT services meets web agency to SMBs and startups, to help them better spend their money and accompanying them on their way to growth etc...&lt;br&gt;Seems a bit rough, but I think it&#039;s can be pretty powerful and quite lucrative if properly set up. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant it in a general manner, getting rid of the A/B testing for a bit, and going with what you feel.<br />As for me, currently it&#39;s in brainstorming mode, thinking of providing IT services meets web agency to SMBs and startups, to help them better spend their money and accompanying them on their way to growth etc&#8230;<br />Seems a bit rough, but I think it&#39;s can be pretty powerful and quite lucrative if properly set up. <img src='http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3520</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Essel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to hearing more about what you are working on when you are ready to share it. There&#039;s art in where our imaginations meet the walls if reality, and ultimately the tool/product/entertainment is a function of our genuine instincts intermingled with any external feedback we allow in. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Depending on how you listen feedback can make or break your work. As long as outside opinions are just that, and not strict enforced rules, I find the additional input on design quite valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m looking forward to hearing more about what you are working on when you are ready to share it. There&#39;s art in where our imaginations meet the walls if reality, and ultimately the tool/product/entertainment is a function of our genuine instincts intermingled with any external feedback we allow in. </p>
<p>Depending on how you listen feedback can make or break your work. As long as outside opinions are just that, and not strict enforced rules, I find the additional input on design quite valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent Boncenne</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3503</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurent Boncenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, my Internet connection taught me patience back in the good old days of the 56kbps :)&lt;br&gt;to your comment in the previous post : &lt;br&gt;yes I am, I said I would. (could have done it earlier but that avc redesign post got me into it and I ended up writing a comment worth 2 pages at least on word lol)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I want to know where you guys are heading :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;back to this,&lt;br&gt;I sometimes wonder if the metrics tools people are somehow forced to use (in the context of measuring an app or a website) to validate their thinking is necessarily a good thing.&lt;br&gt;Building something is mostly about your view. Granted it helps to get feedback, but as so many people might say, sometimes you need to stop listening and go with what you feel. It can be dangerous and scares me sometimes, I&#039;d like to try for a possible project of mine and see what the end result might be if I&#039;d do it my way without adapting that much the feedback received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, my Internet connection taught me patience back in the good old days of the 56kbps <img src='http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />to your comment in the previous post : <br />yes I am, I said I would. (could have done it earlier but that avc redesign post got me into it and I ended up writing a comment worth 2 pages at least on word lol)</p>
<p>I want to know where you guys are heading <img src='http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>back to this,<br />I sometimes wonder if the metrics tools people are somehow forced to use (in the context of measuring an app or a website) to validate their thinking is necessarily a good thing.<br />Building something is mostly about your view. Granted it helps to get feedback, but as so many people might say, sometimes you need to stop listening and go with what you feel. It can be dangerous and scares me sometimes, I&#39;d like to try for a possible project of mine and see what the end result might be if I&#39;d do it my way without adapting that much the feedback received.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Essel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had time to see the speech (mailing it to my inbox/labelling for reading later)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As soon as our next big push is stable I can consider that last question. Unfortunately one big project at a time is all I can handle (but I&#039;m a fan of lucrative, I just know my limits).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ps. Arnold Waldstein got me to setup a subscribe by email on my blog (simple feedburner option). It&#039;s a good idea for your blog as well (I&#039;d subscribe by email)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#39;t had time to see the speech (mailing it to my inbox/labelling for reading later)</p>
<p>As soon as our next big push is stable I can consider that last question. Unfortunately one big project at a time is all I can handle (but I&#39;m a fan of lucrative, I just know my limits).</p>
<p>ps. Arnold Waldstein got me to setup a subscribe by email on my blog (simple feedburner option). It&#39;s a good idea for your blog as well (I&#39;d subscribe by email)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pinsen</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3394</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pinsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that book 15 or 20 years ago. I haven&#039;t read many books recently, but I should start. I am drawn to a lot of urgent but unimportant stuff online. It wouldn&#039;t hurt to sub some of that for reading. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Speaking of Rails, if you haven&#039;t seen it yet, you should check out the speech by the creator of Rails that I included in &lt;a href=&quot;http://steamcatapult.com/2010/03/13/rework/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on my blog recently. It&#039;s about how to make money online. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, allow me to plant a seed in your head. Have you considered taking a short breather on the opus you and Tyler are working on and knocking out something completely unrelated but potentially lucrative -- a quick, lower-tech, e-commerce project? I have a few ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that book 15 or 20 years ago. I haven&#39;t read many books recently, but I should start. I am drawn to a lot of urgent but unimportant stuff online. It wouldn&#39;t hurt to sub some of that for reading. </p>
<p>Speaking of Rails, if you haven&#39;t seen it yet, you should check out the speech by the creator of Rails that I included in <a href="http://steamcatapult.com/2010/03/13/rework/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> on my blog recently. It&#39;s about how to make money online. </p>
<p>Also, allow me to plant a seed in your head. Have you considered taking a short breather on the opus you and Tyler are working on and knocking out something completely unrelated but potentially lucrative &#8212; a quick, lower-tech, e-commerce project? I have a few ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3387</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Essel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent context, haven&#039;t read Caine Mutiny but it sounds like a good rationale behind some larger organizations. Jeez Dave you&#039;re a reading machine with a mind like a trap. My ranting segways immediately trigger a fresh read that you generously share back. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish I had the time and energy to consume texts as rapidly as yourself. I&#039;m backlogged with about 8 books, two of which are refernce tools for Ruby on Rails</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent context, haven&#39;t read Caine Mutiny but it sounds like a good rationale behind some larger organizations. Jeez Dave you&#39;re a reading machine with a mind like a trap. My ranting segways immediately trigger a fresh read that you generously share back. </p>
<p>I wish I had the time and energy to consume texts as rapidly as yourself. I&#39;m backlogged with about 8 books, two of which are refernce tools for Ruby on Rails</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pinsen</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2010/03/16/the-chains-of-incumbent-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3384</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pinsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you ever read The Caine Mutiny, by Herman Wouk? Your post reminds me a little of that book, particularly how a couple of the young, bright officers chafed against the &quot;system&quot; of the Navy. I know I mentioned this in another context on AVC a while back, so this may be a repeat for you, but Wouk (or one of his characters, I forget at this point) notes in the book that the Navy is a system designed by geniuses to be run by idiots. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That was an exaggeration, but the point of it was that, in a large organization like the Navy, most people aren&#039;t smarter than those at the top, so the system is designed to maximize the input of the geniuses, and minimize the input of the non-geniuses, by replacing individual initiative with procedure (to the extent possible) at all but the highest levels. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is, of course, an imperfect system, because in big companies as well as in the military, there are some smart folks at all levels*. I actually have an idea for a business that would tap into the intelligence and creativity of those at all levels of a company, but it&#039;s in the queue. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Long story short, the system that most companies follow is imperfect, but not necessarily broken. You chafe, because you are too smart, creative, and ambitious to stay in your cube. Where you need to be is either running your own business, or working at a place like 37 Signals where they apparently eschew the typical corporate system. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*E.g., there was a fellow at a temp financial planning gig where I worked a few years ago who had a bachelors degree from Wharton, and MBA from NYU, and a CFA. Doing the same job I was doing, and not doing it as well, judging by the performance evaluations (probably because he resented his underemployment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever read The Caine Mutiny, by Herman Wouk? Your post reminds me a little of that book, particularly how a couple of the young, bright officers chafed against the &#8220;system&#8221; of the Navy. I know I mentioned this in another context on AVC a while back, so this may be a repeat for you, but Wouk (or one of his characters, I forget at this point) notes in the book that the Navy is a system designed by geniuses to be run by idiots. </p>
<p>That was an exaggeration, but the point of it was that, in a large organization like the Navy, most people aren&#39;t smarter than those at the top, so the system is designed to maximize the input of the geniuses, and minimize the input of the non-geniuses, by replacing individual initiative with procedure (to the extent possible) at all but the highest levels. </p>
<p>That is, of course, an imperfect system, because in big companies as well as in the military, there are some smart folks at all levels*. I actually have an idea for a business that would tap into the intelligence and creativity of those at all levels of a company, but it&#39;s in the queue. </p>
<p>Long story short, the system that most companies follow is imperfect, but not necessarily broken. You chafe, because you are too smart, creative, and ambitious to stay in your cube. Where you need to be is either running your own business, or working at a place like 37 Signals where they apparently eschew the typical corporate system. </p>
<p>*E.g., there was a fellow at a temp financial planning gig where I worked a few years ago who had a bachelors degree from Wharton, and MBA from NYU, and a CFA. Doing the same job I was doing, and not doing it as well, judging by the performance evaluations (probably because he resented his underemployment).</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler from Everyone Loves Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler from Everyone Loves Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that systems have this intrinsic property that they must sustain themselves at all costs. If people discover that there is a system outside of the current system, then the current system knows that it would fail and does everything it can to prevent people from adopting the other system regardless of the benefit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that systems have this intrinsic property that they must sustain themselves at all costs. If people discover that there is a system outside of the current system, then the current system knows that it would fail and does everything it can to prevent people from adopting the other system regardless of the benefit</p>
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