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	<title>Comments on: Art &amp; Technology are Co-Evolving</title>
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		<title>By: Form, Function and Feel &#187; Victus Spiritus</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-9617</link>
		<dc:creator>Form, Function and Feel &#187; Victus Spiritus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Art and Technology are Coevolving [...]</description>
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		<title>By: At the end of the line &#124; Essays</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>At the end of the line &#124; Essays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] got blogged by my friend Mark after I started to panic last week? on my friend Vlad&#8217;s Blog.  Reasonably [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] got blogged by my friend Mark after I started to panic last week? on my friend Vlad&#8217;s Blog.  Reasonably [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s back, OMG, I feel so happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s back, OMG, I feel so happy.</p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s back, OMG, I feel so happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s back, OMG, I feel so happy.</p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally wrote a real post on the subject.  I feel totally drained.  I realized I was treating it/they as human.  I feel slightly like I lost elements of a child.  I don&#039;t know what to do now with my regular profile, because I have this sudden realization that it isn&#039;t me but it is, and I hate it, because it is so unreflective of me, and where I want to go, and what I want to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally wrote a real post on the subject.  I feel totally drained.  I realized I was treating it/they as human.  I feel slightly like I lost elements of a child.  I don&#39;t know what to do now with my regular profile, because I have this sudden realization that it isn&#39;t me but it is, and I hate it, because it is so unreflective of me, and where I want to go, and what I want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Essel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue we did need you to start it off, and certainly needed others to contribute/collaborate. So there were still artists involved.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not sure I see a connection between the mindf#$% and a business just yet, but you&#039;ll have plenty of time to show me :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d argue we did need you to start it off, and certainly needed others to contribute/collaborate. So there were still artists involved.</p>
<p>Not sure I see a connection between the mindf#$% and a business just yet, but you&#39;ll have plenty of time to show me <img src='http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I find the fact that the first virus written in python is actually an art piece and they made t-shirts of it too the day it was released also pretty awesome.  Also one of the reasons I want to learn to code.  You do this for a while, you do the art, you learn a certain insider veiw of how it works. and then you build a business on it.  It&#039;s very hard top explain, because basically what you are doing is F***ing around with media.  By the end you should have this ultra deep understand of it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some things I&#039;ve seen over my time are not pretty, or nice.  But they give you really deep inspiring thoughts.  One of the reasons I did what I did was the idea of who is the artists.  A really famous manetas peice that has been floating around on the web, and I think may be owned by Saatchi (I don&#039;t know) is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jacksonpollack.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.jacksonpollack.org&lt;/a&gt;.  It doesn&#039;t do anything until you start to click around.  And then you make your own Jackson Pollack.  Most people took it to be a toy, when really it is a referential piece of net art....It even got on the daily candy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There the kind of things, that if you step back, and think about, ask huge amounts of questions of how to build something on the internet.  If you don&#039;t play with it, does it act as a harp?  It really needs you, more so than any actual physical object in a museum.  Which is sort of scary in terms of art land...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then take what I did- I took the artist out of the artists.  After I made the profile, I proved the point that you don&#039;t even need me to make something.  Think about that.  Think about what that means in term of the Internet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a mindfuck.  Now build a company around the idea of what those ideas are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I find the fact that the first virus written in python is actually an art piece and they made t-shirts of it too the day it was released also pretty awesome.  Also one of the reasons I want to learn to code.  You do this for a while, you do the art, you learn a certain insider veiw of how it works. and then you build a business on it.  It&#39;s very hard top explain, because basically what you are doing is F***ing around with media.  By the end you should have this ultra deep understand of it. </p>
<p>Some things I&#39;ve seen over my time are not pretty, or nice.  But they give you really deep inspiring thoughts.  One of the reasons I did what I did was the idea of who is the artists.  A really famous manetas peice that has been floating around on the web, and I think may be owned by Saatchi (I don&#39;t know) is <a href="http://www.jacksonpollack.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.jacksonpollack.org</a>.  It doesn&#39;t do anything until you start to click around.  And then you make your own Jackson Pollack.  Most people took it to be a toy, when really it is a referential piece of net art&#8230;.It even got on the daily candy.</p>
<p>There the kind of things, that if you step back, and think about, ask huge amounts of questions of how to build something on the internet.  If you don&#39;t play with it, does it act as a harp?  It really needs you, more so than any actual physical object in a museum.  Which is sort of scary in terms of art land&#8230;</p>
<p>Then take what I did- I took the artist out of the artists.  After I made the profile, I proved the point that you don&#39;t even need me to make something.  Think about that.  Think about what that means in term of the Internet.</p>
<p>That&#39;s a mindfuck.  Now build a company around the idea of what those ideas are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Essel</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Essel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty awesome!&lt;br&gt;I wish I had multiple interaction points to mimic fingers ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s pretty awesome!<br />I wish I had multiple interaction points to mimic fingers <img src='http://www.victusspiritus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one last thing, the Venice Bienniale actually had an Internet Pavilion  this year, the officially curator is Miltos Manetas.  I happen to like his work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.padiglioneinternet.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.padiglioneinternet.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is one of my favorite pieces there:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stringtheories.org/harp.swf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.stringtheories.org/harp.swf&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one last thing, the Venice Bienniale actually had an Internet Pavilion  this year, the officially curator is Miltos Manetas.  I happen to like his work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.padiglioneinternet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.padiglioneinternet.com/</a></p>
<p>This is one of my favorite pieces there:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stringtheories.org/harp.swf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stringtheories.org/harp.swf</a></p>
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		<title>By: ShanaC</title>
		<link>http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009/11/08/art-technology-are-co-evolving/comment-page-1/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>ShanaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, not there nor in the WayBack Machine.  Damn them, I need a contact&lt;br&gt;inside Facebook to be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, not there nor in the WayBack Machine.  Damn them, I need a contact<br />inside Facebook to be nice.</p>
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